save. Thanks for the analysis. But should he run away to die and only change his mind when some girl he doesn’t know flat-out owns him in a fight, that he should have been able to out-class her in? Contrast this to what we are told about Rey. Maybe, even if Rey isn’t Luke’s biological daughter, he could theoretically still pass the Chosen One factor on to her. Notice how he smacked her with his staff almost as soon as the fight started. Star Wars: 10 Cheesiest Quotes From The Prequel Trilogy, Star Wars Vs. Harry Potter: 10 Hilarious Memes That Make Fans Pick Sides, Star Wars: 5 Ways The Mandalorian is Better Than The New Movies (& 5 Ways it’s Not), Rise of Skywalker: Top 10 Star Wars Movie Heroes, Ranked. The light and darker aspects of the character both complement Luke well, all due to the quality storyline he was provided. 3:40. It is right that, despite the oft-cited similarities between the original trilogy and sequels, the sequels are going in a direction too contradictory to the whole rest of the saga. Rey Stops Snoke. To be fair, she was already a poorly-written character in TFA to begin with. A very interesting article. All references here to Luke Skywalker, refer exclusively to the character as he was presented in and around the original Star Wars movie and in the three films of the Original Trilogy. Because it sells the books, and it encourages people to go out and read the books which is something that I feel more people should do. Now that the Skywalker saga has ended, I would be really interested to know what you thought about it as well as the Mandalorian? I mean they’ve already started doing that with Before the Awakening. I wish they had set the universe in a different time with new characters that didn’t rely on the original Lucas characters, or who were so far removed from them that the interaction wasn’t direct, like how Americans in 2019 are only “related” to the Founding Fathers in that America is only a country because of these men in the past. In CQC, confined spaces, Lukes Lightsaber advantage over Rey really shines. The original trilogy really was much funnier than the rest of the films, and we have Luke to thank for this. Luke is a better character in everyway. “But not to me.” Rey, however, rejects his offer. Honestly, I don’t think the “mystery box” approach works for a franchise like Star Wars if the questions they set up don’t get answered. Rey is the embodiment of the participation trophy. Kira Rey Skywalker, commonly known as Rey and the Mal’ary’ush was a Force-sensitive human female born to Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade Skywalker on Yavin IV in 11 ABY.She was raised by her parents at the Jedi Praxeum on Yavin until her kidnapping at eight years old. Honestly I would like her to struggle like Luke did. Rey trains alone on the island and Kylo searches for Vader relics and tries to reunite and train with the last living of the Knights of Ren. A year passed with Dr. Aphra until she was dropped off at Jakku with her memories tampered. It’s not a smooth transition, despite all Disney’s praise about how successful it has been “passing on the torch” to the next generation of heroes, and the fans have felt it. Interesting article! Much of what we see of Kylo Ren is that he’s trying to copy Darth Vader and he comes off as a temperamental copy cat. Such that when she and Kylo Clash towards the end of episode 9, she does have a shot at defeating him (or turning him back or what ever else Disney and Lucas-film has planned). This article points out the doubleness of the human spirit and literature’s oft opposing elements that create conflict for and within the protagonist or heroes of any genre. Luke Skywalker vs Rey: Who’s a Mary Sue Since TLJ came out, the amount of people who claim Rey is a Mary Sue has skyrocketed. However, there is definitely only one of these two who deserves the title of being the apex protagonist of the series. ST Luke vs ROTS Sidious [ 1 2] xPRIMEx Dec 20th, 2020 02:37 AM: 22: 22: Dec 21st, 2020 11:33 PM by Darth Thor : Luke runs a growing gauntlet! In Ben Solo. Shortly after giving birth to his twin sister Leia, she dies. Luke is a far better character. I think it’s about time he learned from the Masters by actually studying Jung and Campbell rather than just including a few passing references. Luke vs Rey, a point-by-point comparison Since there’s been shit talked about the comparison between Rey and Luke (and how “realistic” Rey is as a character in a universe where there is sound in the vacuum of space and magic exists but okay) I wanted to actually sit down and granularly compare the two characters. The worst manifestation of this involves Supreme Leader Snoke. In seeming contrast to the previous six Lucas films, Johnson argues that it’s not necessary to be part of a long lineage of Jedi or Sith in order to be strong in the Force. Playing next. But first, an important distinction before moving forward. TLJ did not improve upon their development or gave them much depth, not like the OG characters received. Her confrontation with Palpatine lacked that X-factor because it seemed shoehorned rather than earned like Luke’s did. As we draw ever closer to the release of Star Wars: Episode IX, there have been numerous online articles trying to guess how Disney’s Sequel Trilogy is going to end. Rey is basically a Millennial and she’s been created at appeal to that crowd. It apparently all ties back to Snoke, so if we’re going to understand the wider situation we need to understand Snoke and his motivations. You got a lot of meaning out of the Sequel Trilogy I didn’t see. But Disney thought the only way their older audience would see these new movies would be to include the original cast, so they made that (sensible) choice. So the idea that “it doesn’t matter what [the answer] turns out to be” is completely out of line with storytelling in Star Wars. It does now." Zekk's fear of using the Force too much in battle would give Rey an advantage in this fight. “Will ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’ Rewrite ‘The Last Jedi? His friendship with Han is one pairing that hasn’t been matched in all of. We're told in "The Rise of Skywalker" that both Luke and Leia knew Rey was a Palpatine. This isn’t to say that there aren’t examples of people who came from nowhere or from humble beginnings but became heroes– history is full of such great people. If the Sequel Trilogy wants to have this as its theme, don’t brand it as “the end of the Skywalker Saga” and act confused when people say it feels like it doesn’t belong with what they know and love. Sure, Luke did have the Empire to face, and he did get on jets and use all kinds of weapons to fight these enemies, but Rey was the one shown pretty much all on her own and still coming out on top. In TLJ, Luke is completely unconcerned with Rey's character. After revealing that Rey “has no place in this story” because of her lack of important parentage, Ren offers to take Rey on as an apprentice and give her the family she has always wanted, along with the prestige of becoming part of the ancient and storied tradition of Force-users he is part of. The point is further driven home by Broom Boy, who we meet briefly in the Canto Bight casino at the end of the movie as he uses the Force to float a broom to him while he looks up at the stars, presumably dreaming of adventure with Finn and Rose, the members of the Resistance he met and helped earlier. Download for free on all your devices - Computer, Smartphone, or Tablet. The sequel trilogy managed to take the best out of the video game series to make the fight scenes seem larger-than-life. Rey and Luke are both heroes, but the reasons they are chosen for greatness could not be more different. Important for our discussion is the distinction that mythic heroes often have divine or royal fathers who they are not aware of until reaching a certain age, and are usually helped by magical teachers to hone the superhuman abilities they possess as a result of their supernatural parentage. Kylo doesn't have anything quite as explicit, but there are a certainly a few feats and accolades that potentially scale his power/skill in the same tier as Luke and Vader. I don’t either, really, and that’s why I would have preferred for the new movies to be completely removed from the Skywalker Saga. TLJ ruined Finn for me, Rey continued to be unbearable and Poe acted a lot like a reckless hero wannabe yet at least he learned by the end. As if to cement this new ideology for the viewer, Ren and Rey then both attempt to claim the Skywalker lightsaber, used first by Anakin Skywalker, then by Luke, and finally passed to Rey. http://3statesapart.com, All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. The fact that she had a romantic interest in Kylo Ren yet still defied the dark side meant that Rey had that innate goodness that assured viewers they could rely on this protagonist to see them through. After Luke’s nephew and pupil Ben Solo is seduced to the Dark Side by Snoke and murders most of Luke’s other students, Luke voluntarily cuts himself off from the Force in shame and leaves the Light/Dark balance uneven in the Dark’s favor. She might have the raw power but now she needs to act under pressure and figure out what to do instead of having the answer fall in her lap. 2) Don’t have this sort of copy and paste ability in Rey’s powers and use of them. '” The Hollywood Reporter. He would guide the duel the entire fight constantly trying to get Rey to snap out of it. Perfectly articulated. Padmé believed that Luke, along with Leia, could save their father, Anakin and redeem him. No. And she sees one potential father figure murdered and is turned down by the other, so again she goes ahead on her own. Luke encouraged. Also, the name of “Rey” isn’t good. April 15, 2019. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-will-rise-skywalker-rewrite-last-jedi-1202102. So many questions! Rey Mysterio takes on a member of the Straight Edge Society, Luke Gallows. In the case of the night Luke Skywalker finally took a stand against Rey, and refused to believe Ben Solo could be saved, it seems the rain was a bigger factor than movie audiences might realize. The Luke Skywalker Sixth Scale Collectible Figure specially features: An authentic and detailed likeness of Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi; Movie-accurate facial expression with detailed skin texture; Body with over 30 points of articulation; Approximately 28 cm tall ; Ten (10) pieces of interchangeable hands including: - One (1) pair of … 4 2 1 Kaaant Well-Known Member. I could (probably) accept the things Rey is able to do… if a good explanation was given. In this Rey’s powers AND ability to use them because “countering” Kylo isn’t believable. He’s set up as the Big Bad of this trilogy and then not immediately explained in Force Awakens, fine. A one-stop shop for all things video games. I know the ST has problems but Star Wars discussions are deplorable these days…I can’t see a discussion without someone resorting to hyperbole, lying or using their own musings as a substitute for evidence. After Luke is born, the only direct interaction he had with Padmé, was one when she touched him on his belly, a sign of her love and affection for her son. This is the only set from Ahch-To island. Their individual trilogies might have different perceptions surrounding them, but both of these heroes are largely accepted by the fanbase. And the fact that this has been socially acceptable since TFA is beyond baffling and only elicits dismay in me. Luke’s lost wife or adult children show up to help train Rey. But in trying to legitimize the theme of the new trilogy by referencing what they perceive as similarities from George Lucas’ movies, these arguments completely miss the meaning of Luke Skywalker’s relationship to the Force and the importance of legacy to the Star Wars story. This made her enemies deadlier, seeing as Rey didn’t generally have back-up. The mystery of Rey’s past is resolved by cementing her as a “nobody from nowhere” who was chosen and gifted by the Force to embody the Light side and combat the overwhelming Dark power of Kylo Ren and his master Supreme Leader Snoke. Comparison with Yodas hut from 2018. Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Star Wars - The Last Jedi - 'Rey Vs Luke' Trailer (2017)-2TplJL6Dr2I. All are blood lusted and will kill. The Star Wars movies are no exception, and it would seem that the powers-that-be at Disney-Lucasfilm have decided to pursue different storytelling avenues going forward than those of the traditional mythic hero. For every two steps he takes forward, he makes a massive step back. And Snoke and the First Order are much the same way. Symbolically, the idea of legacies determining one’s worth is over. Luke has had to work for everything. Worf Had the Flu: When Luke and Rey have a duel (with sticks) on Ahch-To, Luke handily overpowers her despite his old age. It has its funny moments, but it doesn’t really help Rey if the character she’s having to overcome is a joke. The controversy over Rey’s role in Star Wars is one reason of many why I think there’s a point at which we need to leave narratives alone. So yeah, he could undoubtedly solo. of 8; Next ; Last ; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Both have lightsabers. What do you think about that this might be the result of Abrams’ “Mystery Box” theory of writing (which, to paraphrase, he has described as “You put something mysterious in a box for the audience to wonder about, and it doesn’t matter what it turns out to be.”) with regard to Rey’s parentage in Episode VII? I would like her and Kylo to both struggle to find themselves. Rey, a scavenger who apparently comes from no special bloodline, is one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy without any real training and is a skilled pilot and basically good at everything she does because… reasons. Presumably there are some present on Jakku. Luke and Rey were shown as being lower class workers in desert planets, and both of them had a youthful appeal. John Boyega: Star Wars star says big film franchises are like a ‘luxury jail’, Lost in Translation: The Sounds of Silence, Hollywood’s Fascination with Silence and Horror, Cinematic Vampires: From Shadows to Spotlight, Maternal Horror Films: Understanding the ‘Dysfunctional’ Mother. The mystery in “the Force Awakens” is fine, but by “the Last Jedi” we learn that Luke Skywalker is an abject coward and failure and that he was there to die and let the bad guys win, which was something to make Rey’s character seem more heroic by essentially assassinating Luke’s character. Why did the Rebellion apparently not really win? The lightsaber is the idea of mythic heroism made form, and now it is broken. Kylo Ren is undoubtedly the main antagonist of the sequel trilogy, and he is searching, specifically, for Rey. Lucasfilm, Ltd., 2017. Luke Skywalker is a hero for the Rebel Alliance in DICE's Star Wars Battlefront and Star Wars Battlefront II. My purpose in identifying them here is to point out one important detail: in the overwhelming majority of these cases, the mythic hero is not a “Nobody from nowhere,” but a Somebody. In the next trilogy Rey will be on a deserted island and will lose faith in everything. She felt like a cheat code character. Part of the charm of the original movies was seeing these characters interact, with Luke being right at the center of things. The execution admittedly could’ve used some work, particularly in The Force Awakens, but the incredibly vast world of Star Wars feels much smaller when you boil down most of the important events to being linked to a single family line. Yet, somehow, she’s an expert pilot on a level of Han Solo (or better), a top notch engineer who can not only figure out how to make the Millenium Falcon work, but who knows how to repair its problems, then she’s at Jedi Master level with the force, despite the fact that she never had a moment of training. Luke could also lead Finn or Poe to rescue her while he himself holds Ren off. Jedi vs. Sith (2016) outright states that Luke's lightsaber skill and power in the Force were equal to Vader's as of RotJ. No story, whether a long series of books, a decade-spanning TV show, or a franchise of blockbuster films, can remain thematically stagnant and expect to stay relevant. Throughout the story, Abrams sprinkles hints and signs that seem to suggest Rey might be related to someone special or important, which fans overwhelmingly interpreted as referring to some character from a previous Star Wars film. Rey will never be as close to iconic or good as him. Kylo didn’t shield himself off from Rey and Rey was able to capitalize on it. Well said. Star Wars: The Difference in Luke and Rey as Chosen Ones. Supporters of Rey tend to say she shined well considering the material she had, but there’s no question that Luke’s storyline was of the highest quality. She also endured torture at the hands of each villain and managed to retain the light. Star Wars - The Last Jedi - 'Rey Vs Luke' Trailer (2017) Report. It is a theme embodied in the most iconic line in the entire saga: “No, I am your father.” In short, Luke is special for the same reason that Hercules, Arthur, Perseus, Rama, and every other mythic hero is: because each one is already a Somebody when they start their journey. Good have been constantly triumphing in this trilogy, so why should anyone feel any suspense for the Rise of Skywalker if we know Rey will defeat Kylo (for a third time) and whatever superweapon the First Order comes up with will be destroyed? She’s a strong female character that don’t need no man. Rey learns from Luke why Ben Solo turned to the dark side: Luke had seen a vision of the destruction Ben would cause and was briefly tempted to kill him in his sleep; when Ben awoke to see Luke with his lightsaber drawn, he turned on his uncle and apparently destroyed the Jedi Temple. Its a terrible name. Some may wish to argue that that was the politics that has been interjected in to Star Wars, but even without some of the political issues, the problems in her character are still there. A good essay. Star Wars 8 Luke & Rey Training Trailer (2017) The Last … But the Millennial who expects everything handed to them on a silver platter and don’t believe there are consequences to their actions. But by the end of the movie, Rey completely lost me when she deus ex machina defeated Kylo. But Rey has shown good feats for using the force mid-battle that Luke, as of ROTJ, did not. "I guess. Sure her power could be a counter to Kylo, but that shouldn’t cross over directly into her having the abilities she does… for as has been seen with Anakin in the prequels, even he needed training to get to where he was by “Attack of the Clones” and even at that point wasn’t as good as he could have been… and needed more training before “Revenge of the Sith” and he wouldn’t even complete what he was “created” to do until the end of “Return of the Jedi.”. Rey's found using her staff like a boomerang, spinning it with her mind alone and basically showing up the basic skills we saw from Ani or Luke -- i.e. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Johnson’s film essentially split the Star Wars fandom down the middle, with fans either hailing it as a fresh and subversive entry to help grow the franchise or condemning it as a betrayal of the themes and characters that endeared Star Wars to moviegoers in the first place. Would Disney allow having a woman be bloodied and broken? There’s really a LOT that would need to be done…. Having Rey be successfully seduced by the Dark Side, even temporarily, would be a true subversion of expectation, and a nuanced and worthwhile addition to what is currently a pretty bland and uninspiring character. But then he’s unceremoniously killed off with no explanation. Of course, I have to be realistic here. "Do not think that The Force is the only reason for your skills, Rey. All Rey wants is to be part of a family, and this emphasis on her parents’ identity indicates it will be a major plot point. After the fall of the empire, he would go on to establish the New Jedi Order and eventually serve as its Grand Master. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Rey is perfect, with no flaws, or arc whatsoever. My father has it. report. Some of these articles point to the original presentation of Luke Skywalker back in 1977 as proof to support their theories. Rey sees the lightsaber as her connection to the Force and the family she’s always wanted, but not as the key to a special destiny. Erao, Matthew. Starting of as a flawed, whiny, brat, turning into a fan favorite hero. The title “The Rise of Skywalker” certainly implies that this will wrap up the Skywalker saga, and choosing to include the Emperor at the end of this story will almost definitely impact the information we were given in The Last Jedi, whether to confirm or contradict. Original Trilogy vs Sequal Trilogy! In many ways… Rey is a character that I think was essentially set up to be declared the next icon and was left at that. some flips here and there and basic swordsmanship. The entire conflict of this new trilogy and how the galaxy went from “Happy Ever After” at the end of Return of the Jedi to “Here we go again” at the beginning of Force Awakens hinges directly on the actions of Snoke. 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